You can support Steve Baughman in his work by ordering Cover-Up in the Kingdom here. The change came when I recognized that I needed to be in hostile and adversarial areas because those are where the people are that need to be rescued. That is why we turn down ninety-nine percent of our engagements. But in the last few years, I think the one who has best represented my calling is the apostle Paul. Sharma said one of the interviews was conducted about a month and a half ago by attorneys with Miller & Martin—the firm hired by Ravi Zacharias International Ministries (RZIM) to investigate allegations that Zacharias had abused therapists at the spas. Did Mr. Zacharias respond to it? "It's a huge loss," she tells CBN News. Fire begets fire. I was empty, purposeless. When I’ve watched the lives of the big men who fell, there was a lot of money involved. To quote Nietzsche, this requires “a long obedience in the same direction.” The high points and the low points are markers along the way, but you have to keep the plain road ahead of you and not be guided by the extremes. JC: We added a word: community. During our interview at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, she became emotional when talking about the recent passing of famed Christian apologist Ravi Zacharias. They are more lost in a sense, and desperately in need of finding the Savior. If I dropped the story it would never be told. What about the person who has questions and feels no need? In fact, I have not heard an intellectual question to the faith that has disturbed me. JC: That’s a wonderful answer. JP: And you too. I could go a week in a hotel room and never turn the television on. Most important are the people God brings into your life. I now think of worship as the clue to the meaning of life. No doubt, I am a hundred percent sure in my heart that God’s calling is on my life to do this work of a Christian apologist. Then there is leadership accountability we put into our planning at the beginning of each year. It’s a very tough language. The second thing is that not only should you be humble, you must be very disciplined. People are looking for that. mountain of evidence against Ravi Zacharias, nobody should assume that I spend my whole life sitting around thinking about the man. (Last week I documented  my findings. Ravi, a highly regarded speaker, author, and apologist, died a few months ago. : I can’t say that I’m surprised. Ravi Zacharias. A calling is a beckoning. In the organization that he works with, there will be ripple effects of failure. You’ve talked about the calling, you’ve talked about the character formation that needs to be in place. You see, the pulpit can become quite the show window for a person and it can become a big ego thing. Christian apologist and author Ravi Zacharias speaks to tens of thousands of young adults in Atlanta's Philips Arena on Sunday, January 3, 2016. Three minutes ago I received an email informing me that my new Celtic guitar book is nearing completion (with a reputable publisher.) But in 1971, a few months after the event, he told his student newspaper at the Ontario Bible College that he saw “a bullet riddled car and a blood soaked body.”  So the body count had quadrupled. English writers have also helped me greatly. And yet, they came to know Christ. And, to date, not a single factual claim I have made about Ravi has been refuted. But I’m still proud of Is the Atheist My Neighbor? If a leader is not competent, many things will fall by the wayside. I’ve never wanted to be away from my wife and kids for any period of time, and yet that’s what I have to do in my itinerant world. RR: Okay, so I’m going to give you a question that I’m guessing you’ve heard before, but here goes: why are you so obsessed with Ravi Zacharias? Ms. Green says of the interview, "Listening to Ravi Zacharias will make you see a whole different way of looking at faith. (Nobody accuses the Boston Globe’s Spotlight unit of being “obsessed” with Catholic pedophilia.) I’ll support your ministry because God has his hand on your life and you are reaching a segment of society that needs to be reached.” That was 1983. It’s the calling of God that prepares your heart and prepares the place for your heart. The one who had such a tender heart towards so many things and yet had to be taken into such tough situations. A true appraisal of my own heart and every man and woman’s heart is that we need to be humble before God. One of the last interviews I did with Chuck Colson, back when we started “BreakPoint This Week” as a weekly interview program on radio, was with Ravi Zacharias. Home of progressively evangelical, generously orthodox, rigorously analytic, revolutionary Christian thinking (that's what I'm aiming for anyway). I have never been able to deny this or speak in laudable terms or in less than laudable terms than just to tell you the way I am or who I am. Ravi corrupts this important dialogue with his fake credentials and his general lack of integrity. I think that comes through my mother, who was a very tenderhearted woman. The truth is that Ravi left the University after his first year. Iron sharpens iron.” And not only that, if the church is a community, then how can you in your own life not be part of one and expect to build community while you yourself are in isolation? There was Sam Wolgemuth, who was also the great Youth for Christ International Director. RZ: This obviously is very important. The year I published my Ravi book I also completed a book of Gospel guitar arrangements and recorded an album of banjo solos, plus took care of my business as a partner in a law firm. The structures in that sense are restrictions; they are not absolutes. I remember beginning the interview by apologizing for all … Crooked preachers are sooo “dog bites man” for them. Ravi Zacharias was interviewed in April 2005 by Major John Carter of The Salvation Army for a leadership class at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary (Charlotte, NC branch). When I inquired of the network they said Ravi pays his bills and has not violated the broadcaster’s ethical code. Filed Under: The Tentative Apologist Tagged With: apologetics, Ravi Zacharias, Steve Baughman, Copyright © 2021 • Randal Rauser • A Steady Site. I began that interview apologizing for all the times I had plagiarized him throughout the years, probably many times without even knowing it. So accountability to me is when proclivities have resources, then possibilities become actualities. How do I measure that? So there have been some low points in the earlier days of ministry, some disappointments. Prominent Southern Baptists gave Ravi a lifetime ministry award, and the Southern Baptist Convention had him speak to their annual convention in Dallas. You spoke about your calling, and this is a personal question: Was there anything that came as a confirmation of your calling to do this type of work more than anything else? Browse our entire library of RZIM podcasts, articles, and videos. God says in Deuteronomy, chapter eight, I wanted you to see what was in your own heart. I’ll take care of you. I would have to say, I did. That impression begins to grow, nurtured by your reading and your studies. They are the punctuation marks in life. To me the key is, Who knows where your checkbook is, who knows where your money goes? ), In his memoirs, Walking from East to West, Ravi describes his near brush with a Vietcong ambush in 1971. In hundreds of comments made to me over the past four years I can probably count on two hands the times Christians have actually wanted to engage me on the evidence. And they continue to do so. I miss some of that; it was wonderful. RR: Steve, thanks for agreeing to do a “part-two” for this interview. Yesterday, as I was driving my wife to the airport (she was going to see her father who is not well), I said to her, “You know, if it weren’t for the call of God, this is not what I would do.” It demands a type of mental mindset, especially the travel side of it. Abnormally born as it were, wrenched from the womb (in terms of calling), the convergence of various cultures into his life—the Greek, the Hebrew, the Roman, and now speaking to the Christian. Competence is a big word. Once you develop bad habits, they stalk you even after you’ve entered ministry. On this episode of The Roys Report, Julie interviews Steve, an avowed … Did Mr. Zacharias respond to it? Fall Sale - thru 10/6 I actually parted ways with my literary agent when I told her I wanted to write a book defending atheists. In September 2018, I interviewed Steve Baughman about some concerning allegations pertaining to the conduct of widely revered Christian apologist Ravi Zacharias. She told me “That won’t sell!” and she was right. Going back to India, just after my conversion, there was a man named Sam Kamaleson who became the vice president of World Vision. My wife does. There is the accountability to my wife and children. Search by title, catalog stock #, author, isbn, etc. Not many, it turns out. And prior to that in my undergraduate studies, from a methodology point of view, there were people like John Montgomery in the early days. But I remain astonished at the response of the evangelical word. Although that theme in many ways is a bit of a cliché, God did prepare Moses to stand before kings and leaders. Apologist Ravi Zacharias died Tuesday, May 19th, two months after he announced he had been diagnosed with cancer. The new revelations concerning Ravi Zacharias have shocked much of the evangelical world, but they’re no surprise to Steve Baughman. But I’m still proud of, : I have three of your books. JC: Are there any leaders outside of the Bible or outside the church that may have influenced you in a specific way? JC: That’s a wonderful metaphor and image of what we should think of, when thinking of our role, in Christianity. Find the right habits to respond, the habits of the heart, and they will stay the course with you in the long run. When I was first taken in by Ravi’s powerful preaching in early 2015 I had no idea what was in store. Further Down the Rabbit Hole: An Interview on Ravi Zacharias’ Confabulations April 3, 2020 by Randal In September 2018, I interviewed Steve Baughman about some concerning allegations pertaining to the conduct of widely revered Christian apologist Ravi Zacharias. They do in terms of their writing. I have a plane. It is important that we understand how God has so fashioned us. When I inquired of the network they said Ravi pays his bills and has not violated the broadcaster’s ethical code. So the information is out there, but it seems to have no effect on business as usual. He said, “Can I talk to you for a minute?” I said, “Yes.” He said, “I don’t know what it is you are seeking God for, but I went back to my room and got on my knees and said, ‘God, what is it that that young couple is seeking wisdom for? I think that is important. In that interview (which I strongly suggest you read before proceeding with this article), Mr. Baughman outlined evidence for some very concerning behavior, including claims that Mr. Zacharias has consistently fabricated details about his academic history as well as that he engaged in sexually predatory behavior. If I ever do, it is either news or sports. Your time with the Lord is so critical. JC: Where does competence play out in this area of leadership? There are so many things to affirm that this was of God. When I think of character, I just don’t think of obedience or of simply being aligned with the claims of God upon your life. Attacks on Christianity and the church are rampant in today’s society. When I think of my life as being so involved in words, I think of God putting in that DNA right from the beginning. Not many atheists will be sufficiently motivated to pick it up because many will just say, “I told you apologists are liars for Jesus!” Meanwhile, what Christian wants to sit and read a chronicle of the sins of one of their favorite apologists? Her network continues to carry Ravi’s show. I cannot tell you what it is, just pray for us.” They did not even know that I had resigned from the seminary, effective one year after that. In this podcast interview, Christianity Today reporter Daniel Silliman explains how he investigated this story.. Several evangelicals who followed Ravi Zacharias were upset with me today for blogging about this story. JC: We are sitting in your office, and I see a lot of books on the wall. You have the calling to be an expositor of the Gospel. There was John Tiebe, who was a Canadian and was a Youth for Christ Director in Delhi under whose watch I really came to know Christ. So I know that at least some of them sell. It’s spelled front and back the same way. RZ: Yes, there were several things. Each new discovery of a false Ravi claim made me more convinced that this famous man was a serial deceiver. : Steve, thanks for agreeing to do a “part-two” for this interview. We also see it in his, at the 2012-2013 Southern Evangelical Seminary catalogue, (page 83.) JC: You have certainly given us definition of your calling. The competence is shown by somebody who works at what it is that he is gifted and called to do. When I’m in my room at night, I don’t watch much television. They were priests in South India, the top rung of priests. There is a leadership accountability to a group of men and women who in turn are accountable to the Evangelical Council of Financial Accountability. Competence is very important, especially in the gifted situation. The truth is that Ravi left the University after his first year. Do you see community as being an important part of leadership? If it is a supernaturally engendered thing, why do we not see it more often? I love my anonymity. You see it happening again and again, much more than you would want to or even thought it would happen. The Nambudiris are on the top rung of Hindu priesthood. I would probably say the most powerful book I read in the eighties that changed my thinking an awful lot is G.K. Chesterton’s Orthodoxy. I take very few within the Christian world. Ravi, a highly regarded speaker, author, and apologist, died a few months ago. His brother, Ramesh, actually reported me to the Toronto Police after I asked him for comment on Ravi’s suicide story. I have a doctrinal accountability to a denomination. Is there any book outside of the Bible that has influenced you and your thinking? Not many atheists will be sufficiently motivated to pick it up because many will just say, “I told you apologists are liars for Jesus!” Meanwhile, what Christian wants to sit and read a chronicle of the sins of one of their favorite apologists? I wouldn’t have wanted to or had the capacity to. Lewis. RZ: Definitive. Ravi Zacharias was interviewed in April 2005 by Major John Carter of The Salvation Army for a leadership class at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary (Charlotte, NC branch). They may claim ethics and morality. In reference to these men, there’s something you borrow, not always specific, but an impression that is left in your mind. That was the first thing; God took me there. has been received? We discussed the importance of leadership in the community that a person is engaged in and the type of impact that is needed in order to make change possible. I love reading some of the great authors of our time. But sometimes you’ve got to write something just because it is important to you. If you are called to lead and you don’t lead, somebody else will. How has it been received by evangelical leaders? I find that unfortunate, but I understand it. JC: How important do you feel character is in the realm of leadership? Why don’t you just leave him alone?! SB: Thank you for being one of the few Christians to take the Zacharias deceptions seriously. I now look at my family tree and think it is remarkable. (I was able to confirm with the newspaper that their report was based directly on the written account Ravi had provided them.). So I would say in these last few years of my ministry, Paul has become that person. When you talk about life’s meaning, everyone wants to hear your answer. That’s not good. So I know that at least some of them sell. I think Billy Graham made a very simple statement years ago when he said it was a great day in his life when he learned that God can use good organization. Every day, the nourishment of the soul needs to take place, probing new subjects, studying new material, reading new books, not lazing in the morning hours, getting yourself out of bed. : It’s funny, that question (or something close to it) is probably the question I’ve been most often asked by Ravi defenders. Given that it has been more than a year since. Many entailments come from the concept of community. (Last week I documented  my findings here.) I’ve covered the globe for them. The team interviewed Anurag Sharma, the co-owner of the Atlanta-area day spas who said he was a longtime friend and admirer of Zacharias. It’s almost never been “No! When I see a need, my heart is touched. In situations like that it is much more comfortable to focus on the messenger. This is getting long so I will stop there. Christianity Today published Ravi’s press release verbatim and did not bother following up about the explosive matter of the suicide threat he made to silence Ms. T.  Etc. And speaking of that alleged suicide attempt, a year or so ago I began investigating the story, which Ravi has told millions and millions of people over the decades. Now, even more irrelevant to the growing mountain of evidence against Ravi Zacharias, nobody should assume that I spend my whole life sitting around thinking about the man. Ravi was not only a significant personal influence for me, he was a great friend of this ministry for years. It takes its toll physically and emotionally. The money became the means of procuring what it is that felled them. JC: In speaking about difficult times and perhaps adversarial areas, have there been any low points in your life that have influenced you in your ministry? It is something like Samuel Wesley dying and telling his son: it’s that inner witness. RZ: I think to me there is a very clear relationship. He knows where I am twenty-fours a day, and I don’t go out at night on the road if I am not speaking. My wife needs to know where my money goes if I’m spending it. Tell me where you live; I’ll fly in to see you.” And he flew to New York where we lived, to White Plains. Learn about RZIM. Sometimes we are ragged in our planning and doing. I’ve covered the country for them—little churches, country churches, big churches. I think this whole idea of organization building—of the process that has to be taken on when you are moving from point A to point B—the vision and the passion in you wants to take you in that direction. and keep going that way, but I never wanted it that way. And I don’t use that word lightly. Her network continues to carry Ravi’s show. I was uneasy too, and we made one agreement: We would not tell anybody what we were thinking. What about the competence level of leadership? about some concerning allegations pertaining to the conduct of widely revered Christian apologist Ravi Zacharias. To borrow a line from David Hume, my book basically “fell stillborn from the press.” The religious press would not touch it and it garnered precisely zero reviews other than yours, (with a few mentions by relatively obscure bloggers). A prominent Canadian religious broadcaster wrote me and said she read the book in one sitting and that it is “teaching us a tough and needed lesson, and God’s work in our lives is better because of it.” I’m not sure what she means, though. She told me “That won’t sell!” and she was right. His apologetic especially given to Felix, is, I think, absolutely marvelous. That said, hundreds of copies are out there and this seems to have generated a behind-the-scenes discussion in various evangelical circles. I really believe that I am also accountable to my wife and children. I think to know that you are called is a seal within your heart. And evangelical power brokers have enabled him along the way. And yet he had such a tender heart. If you had curry and rice as well, I’d come early. We clearly have not scratched the surface with the demonstrably false claims Mr. Zacharias has made. was released, I decided it was time to return to our conversation in order to find out how evangelicals have received Mr. Baughman’s evidence as well as whether there are any pertinent updates to his concerning case against Mr. Zacharias. So community is an essential part of what I do as a leader and what I do in my leadership. That’s one of the reasons why our organization is a team. Apologetics became the seasoning in the main course that I offered, which is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The ministry Zacharias founded, Ravi Zacharias International Ministries (RZIM), issued a statement calling the accusations “false.” The ministry would not answer WORLD’s questions about the accusations but said it had commissioned an independent investigation. My professors were very influential in my life in the early days—people like Norm Geisler, his impact on me. My great-grandfather and my grandfather were linguists. Then, as time went on, because of the reluctance in my own heart, I would say Moses became a model for me: “Here I am, send Aaron.” I always felt unprepared and ill-prepared for this. For instance, a high point may be a wedding day, but the days that follow is where you really demonstrate what it means to be married. More important, as Evangelism, Inc. ignored my findings over and over, I realized that this is about much more than Ravi Zacharias. “The bodies of the four passengers were strewn across the side of the road, bullet-riddled and dead.”  That is what he said in the 2005 book. I have a traveling associate who is with me all the time. But in 1971, a few months after the event, he told his student newspaper at the Ontario Bible College that he saw “a bullet riddled car and a blood soaked body.”  So the body count had quadrupled. This is critical. That makes for laziness when we think, I got my sermon case and I got my hundred sermons in the bag, I don’t need to be studying. Writing a book like that is a thankless task. I’ve seen some great disappointments, and one of the things that I’ve learned through all of that is you cannot build a steady faith on the basis of human observation. Motive is key, that which drives a person to do this. Ravi Zacharias, a renowned Christian evangelist and best-selling author, died Tuesday morning at his home in Atlanta after a brief battle with sarcoma, a rare form of cancer, Fox News has confirmed. Bad habits are formed early. As for my more recent discoveries, sadly, there are many. Feel free to continue browsing the site without This is our role, being a real servant of the King. The founder of Ravi Zacharias International Ministries on his new book, ‘The Logic of God.’ Ravi Zacharias has spent the better part of his life answering questions about Christianity . 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